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Sometime we may get a National ID card in the UK. I think that's a really good idea. If you've got nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear.
Liberals* whinge about them possibly used to send people for prison for crimes they didn't commit. They abuse the fact that people can have the same DNA. Clearly that's rubbish. If a crime happens and the police pin it down to 2 or 3 people then they run an identity parade. Put all of the people with the matching DNA and some dodgy geezers in a room and let the victim/witness pick them out. Simple.
We could also do it for everyone entering the country. That way, if anyone wasn't on file, they would be an illegal immigrant and could face prosecution.
All of your state entitlements could be attached to it: passport, criminal history, driving licence, NHS number, perhaps also things like whether you're a donor.
I like ID cards.
*If most of the people in the UK are pro ID cards then surely it would be ill-liberal to deny them the opportunity. I expect that the majority of people are pro ID cards so it must be liberal to want them.
fuzzyrabbit
31-05-2005, 19:30
There are talks already between a private ID company and the government. They seem to be set for geting ID cards.
To be honest, I don't think I mind having ID cards but its going to be costly to the country to issue and to maintain them.
I also wonder how much it will cost to replace a lost ID card because it cost like 40, 50 quid for a non-digital ID card in Hong Kong.
£93 based on current costings (i.e. it's going to cost more....). One of the big problems is the time it takes to process people, with current technology it is a matter of decades rather than years before the entire population will be processed...
While I like the idea of having all my ID in one card, it does seem a bit like it'd be a false economy with current technology, and I can't see how they will help the fight against crime compared to putting the money required to run and maintain the system into getting more police officers on the beat...
donkeyhumper
31-05-2005, 20:17
I don't really have a strong position on this one. I don't like the idea of the cost too much - especially when they will charge people directly for them as opposed to it being paid for by tax payers. Of course, I'm not too keen on them infringing on civil liberties but you have to be pretty paranoid to really worry about that too much.
I don't have a clue what 9point9 is on about this DNA lark tbh.
I really don't like the idea that you could be refused medical treatment if you didn't have it and, although this isn't the plan, I'd hate to live in a country where we had to carry them day-to-day.
I like the idea that they could be used to efficiently link everything together.
If most of the people in the UK are pro ID cards then surely it would be ill-liberal to deny them the opportunity. I expect that the majority of people are pro ID cards so it must be liberal to want them.
lol, do you even know the definition of liberal? Yes it would be illiberal to stop people from having ID cards if they wanted them but you're proposing forcing everyone to have ID cards - It would also be illiberal to have compulsory ID cards. Liberalism is about preserving individual people's rights - not enforcing the will of the [oppressive?] majority.
Idiophreak
01-06-2005, 09:13
i'm not bothered either way. like you said, I have nothing to hide.
And the current technology is said to work ok except for blacks and disabled people isn't it? And who cares if they get sent to prison for no reason? :D
fuzzyrabbit
01-06-2005, 11:31
i'm not bothered either way. like you said, I have nothing to hide.
And the current technology is said to work ok except for blacks and disabled people isn't it? And who cares if they get sent to prison for no reason? :D
:rolleyes: you are so nice.
I'd swap the black to "old" people.
In what way won't it work for the disabled? I've seen this excuse used several times but no reason has been given. I suppose next we'll be told that 'it doesn't help the disadvantaged' and therefore is evil.
lonedawg
01-06-2005, 13:13
especially when they will charge people directly for them as opposed to it being paid for by tax payers
Wow. I didn't know this. Do you mean they're going to physically bill people for their compulsary ID cards?
What about people that can't afford them?
I'm pretty much against ID cards, they cost way too much money for the small number of benefits.
donkeyhumper
01-06-2005, 13:15
lol, you suck.
The facial recognition software doesn't work very well with black people and disabled.
The facial recognition software doesn't work very well with black people and disabled.
See, they're using the colour of their skin as camourflage so they can commit crime. That's not a million miles from what kids wearing hoodies and baseball caps are trying to do. ;)
It must be racist software.
No, really, that excuse is a bit lame. As a proportion of the population they are quite small. I don't see what the problem can be with the disabled. So long as they're able to get to the scanner, where's the hitch?
donkeyhumper
01-06-2005, 14:01
they might mean people with facial development problems
they didn't go into detail on the TV but the point is that the current software doesn't work too well.
I don't see the point in ID cards, if we really need ID all the time why don't we just carry our passports about?
"SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS!!!"
It's all horrible, especially being forced to pay a hundred quid for it.
why don't we just carry our passports about?
Because ID cards could replace passports, driving licences etc. If done as smart cards it would stop identity theft.
Because ID cards could replace passports, driving licences etc.
Ok. But why? Granted, I am the kind of person who an ID card might seem advantageous too... well, kinda, maybe someone who looks a bit younger. I don't have a driving license so if I get asked for ID I'm fairly stuffed unless I'm carrying my passport (who doesn't carry that everywhere with them??). But it's a hundred quid.
If done as smart cards it would stop identity theft.
Err, bollocks. And it's a hundred quid.
Also, wtf a HUNDRED QUID?!
Idiophreak
01-06-2005, 16:08
they might mean people with facial development problems
Lol, I'd have thought they'd be the easiest to spot :)
OK, I'm stopping the biggotted stuff now tbh :)
Beanyboy
01-06-2005, 19:31
I'm disabled. I have meobious syndrome (dunno how to spell it) amongst other things, but all it means is a few nerves in my face don't work so I can't move my lips. But my face doesn't change from day to day, so where's the problem. I realise I don't represent all disabled people, but I stull don't see any problem!
Yeah I don't really understand why that would be an issue for facial recognition. As for the black people being hard to distinguish by software, does that mean they really do "all look the same"?*
* oh God here come the hate mails
Idiophreak
01-06-2005, 23:57
it's harder to....no, I think you're right. That has to be it.
No, it's to do with colour variation etc. Not much shaddow shows up on blacks innit.
Ah. Harder to get contours and the like.. or.. bah I dunno. Or particularly care.
Nice to know these super-expensive ID cards will be useless for half of us (that's a very London outlook, I realise a lot of you hicks probably haven't even seen a "coloured folk" before)
Hang on what's the facial recognition crap for anyway? Is this for swiping the card somewhere and having a camera check to see if it's you?
Last time I checked the outside world doesn't look like a Bladerunner set just yet!
Idiophreak
02-06-2005, 00:16
have to say I don't see what the big fookin deal is.
I have ID, most people don't need it (can take your passport if you know you're gonna) and it's a HUNDRED QUID. Just sack the whole idea i say. And europe too :)
Beanyboy
02-06-2005, 10:35
Just sack the whole idea i say. And europe too :)
Give this man a cigar!
lonedawg
02-06-2005, 12:22
And europe too
Sack europe? Fair enough.
donkeyhumper
02-06-2005, 12:53
Just sack the whole idea i say. And europe too :) :ban:
Just sack the whole idea i say. And europe too :)
Give this man a cigar! :ban:
Idiophreak
02-06-2005, 14:23
:stupid:
Anyone else got anything faintly mature to bring to this?
lonedawg
02-06-2005, 16:22
Pop tarts make my tummy happy.
Baked beans make my tummy pop farts.
donkeyhumper
02-06-2005, 18:02
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Why thank you, how very modern of you.
synaptyx
01-07-2005, 23:08
If they want £93 (or whatever) off me, they can come to the door with state officials and debt collectors. As long as it costs them more than it costs me. I mean, what the [oops I almost swore] am I paying tax for!? I am not against the card itself, just a government that has royaly [nearly did it again] us up the arse in the past and is continuing in this trend as far as it possibly can.
Aye I'm totally opposed to paying anything for something I am *forced* to have.
Paying for passports is harsh enough, although at least then I'm paying for the priveledge of international travel.
And before anyone tries to bring up the TV license as some kind of comparison, that's for the priveledge of watching high quality BBC programming and paying for a world beating news service so I'm perfectly happy with that too </end of any tv license talk>
Idiophreak
03-07-2005, 15:50
I'm up for ID cards etc, have no objection to being given one. But liek yeah, are they kidding.
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"Give us £200...because you have to". Whats gonna happen if you say liek "bite me"??
I'm up for ID cards etc, have no objection to being given one. But liek yeah, are they kidding.
"Give us £200...because you have to". Whats gonna happen if you say liek "bite me"??
Deportation? Sweet, free holiday travel :great:
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