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What the HELL is going on?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4659093.stm
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41276000/gif/_41276695_london_tube_map416.gif
0849 - Report of explosion on Metropolitan Line between Liverpool Street and Aldgate
Further explosions reported at Aldgate East, Edgware Road, King's Cross, Russell Square and Moorgate
Two Underground trains collide near King's Cross
And Scotland Yard confirmed one of several reports of explosions on buses in the city - in Tavistock Place - but said the cause was not yet known.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4659331.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4659243.stm
I've gotta go to work.. I think I'll walk.
synaptyx
07-07-2005, 10:24
Just been reading that.
London techangel lot.
Please check the **** in!
donkeyhumper
07-07-2005, 11:56
pretty awful stuff but I guess we all knew it would come one day and at least the casualties are relatviely limited (considering there were 7 bombs detonated at rush hour!)
oh and dash is alive!
Yus, sorry should have posted earlier. Staying at home today I suspect.
I thought we might get closed, but alas no
(posting from work)
Idiophreak
07-07-2005, 13:01
It's rubbish.
Can't phrase my feelings much better than that atm
play_boy_2000
07-07-2005, 14:49
wow, I just heard on the raido, I hope everyone here is alright and hasn't lost any family or friends.
I think its time to nuke the middle east
synaptyx
07-07-2005, 15:07
Now, I don't want to start anything, but, pb2000, that is the absolutely dumbest thing I have read today.
Are you on crack mate?
I think its time to nuke the middle east
They're probably British terrorists. No doubt they live just round the corner from me - Barton Street in Gloucester seems to be the UK headquarters of Al Quaeda. There's always someone doing some bomb making.
donkeyhumper
07-07-2005, 17:26
pb2000 clearly is just joking.... right?
That said, after 9/11 i saw a picture of a middle aged american man standing next to a road with a big sheet of paper and a picture drawn on it using coloured pencils or crayons. The picture was of an american plane dropping bombs on the ground. It said "MIDDLE EAST" on the ground.
*sigh* it looked like something an 8 year old would draw.
Idiophreak
07-07-2005, 20:53
pb2000 clearly is just joking.... right?
Hell no, I'm all up for racial cleansing at this point.
We just keep seeing the human cost of multiculturalism rising and rising. Time for a towelie-ban. (get it?)
edit: *ducks and covers*
Beanyboy
07-07-2005, 21:29
I am usualy one of these guys who stands up for the middle east and argues the point that terrorism isn't confined to the residents of the middle east, but is a wide spreading problem that could be on our doorstep. But at this point, I am so disheartened, what's the point of it all? What can we do to stop it? It's a ****ing joke, and terrorism achieves nothing.
One thing I did see that impressed me was on the BBC news coverage saying that the terrorists have failed. As the clue is in the name, they are out to cause terror in the general public...that wasn't the case today. The emergancy services did a bang up job, they got everyone out by 3 this afternoon. The public didn't run about like headless chickens when it all kicked off in the first place, from what I have seen, most people were calm and collected. Not a scrap of terror anywhere.
Idiophreak
07-07-2005, 21:49
That's true. Bet the people in the trains etc felt plenty of terror tho. The fact is that it's such a pathetic waste of human life. The cowards behind the attacks believe they're fighting for a cause, but aren't prepared to stand up and fight for it like men (just watch Osama run...), they target innocent people who have nothing against them and who they have nothing against.
Their actions don't make the slightest bit of difference to anything, so they're not martyrs. They're the most loathsome kind of murderers.
edit: and I think to stop it we should cut england off from everywhere else and make it a total island. Let Noone in, (people can go out one way if they want). Much easier to manage, much less likely to piss other countries off.
Screw world peace. If the rest of the world wants to fight amongst itself, lets let them. They'll wipe eachother out eventually.
Let's just get peace in blighty :)
play_boy_2000
07-07-2005, 23:40
pb2000 clearly is just joking.... right?
yes and no. No, i don't think we want to drop a nuke, but yes, as soon as were done in iraq, its time to go clean house elsewhere. If terrorists are operating out of a muslim (or any country, for that matter) country and the government dosn't seem to want to do much about it, then i say that we should drop a shit load of sanctions on them and failing all else, go kick the shit out of them. As soon as they start crossing boarders and blowing shit up, then it's time to clean house. No need for WMD this or chemical wepon that excuses, terrorisim is enough justification for me.
My rational is that if the US and its allies can stabilize the region, it may end up being like japan after WWII and we could teach them to play nice.
A dodgy extension of the idea would be a WWIII, but i don't forsee that happening unless some bad person aquires a nuke.
A united earth is going to happen one day or another, it's just a matter of time, so we midaswell start at it now.
Idiophreak
08-07-2005, 00:21
The problem is that we ARE starting at it. Other countries aren't.
This carpet bombing's an idea that needs serious thought tho.
Think about it...Could get rid of all the fighting in the middle east.
Could stop the thousands of people dying in africa every day.
Could stop all the stuff with who controls the oil....
I kid! I kid!
donkeyhumper
08-07-2005, 00:31
Playboy, I wouldn't be surprised if all the terrorists involved in today's attacks were born within 20 miles of the attacks. A lot of the time Middle Eastern regimes aren't the problem. They rarely really support terrorism (Iraq wasn't exactly a huge sponsor of terrorism, although it’s fair to say Iran and Syria both support Hezbollah’s terrorism in Israel). The issue is not about terrorist states but is about small groups of “Islamic extremists”, which don't have a safe haven (not after Afghanistan). These terrorists are radicals operating out of almost every country. For any govt. to keep these guys completely in check, unable to ever pull off an attack we'd have to turn the entire world (western countries included) into a police state where everyone lost all but a few civil liberties.
The problem is that many Middle Eastern regimes are our allies. We support them despite the fact that they brutalize their populations (although, to his credit, Bush has suggested that this is not a policy the US will maintain). It's the West's support for these regimes that often makes the terrorists hate us. I'm pretty sure Al Quaeda commits most of its attacks against Saudis in Saudi Arabia.
"Cleaning house" maybe sounds good but when you think about it, let’s just work out what it means? Who are we going after? Most countries (including those which may spawn terrorists) are doing a lot to fight them. To me "cleaning houses" says the following: we go into a country, kill huge numbers of people (loads of them innocent without much natural hatred to the west). This creates many, many martyrs, leading to a huge and frankly understandable rise in hatred toward the west. This hatred drives people (even those who would traditionally be rational people and moderates) to want revenge and therefore they happily join the resistance/terrorists.
Then we're left with trying to administer a country overrun with terrorists. A country that would have been hard enough to stop the terrorists before overt foreign intervention took place. As we've seen with Iraq this is near impossible.
The thing regarding Japan isn't comparable with the Middle East. Japan was essentially a brainwashed state. They needed a wake up call. They were reasonably rational people. The whole of the Middle East isn't to blame for this, just a few nut jobs that often happen to hail from there! WE ARE NOT FIGHTING COUNTRIES HERE. We have to understand their complaints.
On the face of it, I like love the idea of a united earth but I fear you're implying we should colonise the world and make a western united earth. The irony there is that a civilised society should have no colonial ambitions (no country or no people are better than any other). Any mergers should take place via mutual consent. Ahhh the european union :unsure:...
As for Idiophreak, you're a fecking retard dude.
edit: and I think to stop it we should cut england off from everywhere else and make it a total island. Let Noone in, (people can go out one way if they want). Much easier to manage, much less likely to piss other countries off.
Location: Wales - Still
;)
Seriously though, this whole multiculturalism being the root of all evil idea is nonsense. If we sacrifice that, we've let the terrorists win, because its that they fear the most. At the end of the day, I don't think this is about Iraq or Afganistan, those are just excuses. Assuming this is the work of extremist Islamists, I suspect what they fear most is our multiculturalism, the fact that we are a pluralistic society that is open to new ideas. Where we see free exchange of cultures as enriching, they see it as corruption, and they want to stem this influence of the West on Islamic culture. How better, in their eyes, to prevent this than to divide us with terror, prejudice and hatred. By (falsely) using Islam as their justification for these attacks they are trying to draw lines between us that simply need not exist.
And for the London PoV on these attacks, well we get on with it. Trying to terrorise a city that lived with the constant threat of bombs for the best part of 30 years (are we going to nuke NI/Eire too?) was a pretty stupid idea. And the swift, efficient response of the emergency services and lack of widespread chaos and panic shows that it was something that London was prepared for, in fact I'm suprised it hadn't happened sooner. I suspect by next week it will be pretty much business as usual, and for most of us all the excitement today will feel like a distant memory.
I'm not trying to belittle the memory of the 39 people who were murdered today, or the many hundreds injured. Families and friends will be in mourning for a long time to come, and my thoughts are with them. But I think London as a whole will refuse to be crippled by this, and will get up, dust itself off, and move forward as it always has done, indeed its started already. Outside the affected zones life pretty much continued as normal, I know it did here in West London at least. I think if the terrorists were expecting some kind of victory here in London today, they were sorely disappointed.
It's such a stupid shame that the attacks today have made NO difference and had NO effect at all. The rest of us got on with our day, and tomorrow will be a normal day aside from some clearing up and a few closures of certain places.
So nothing achieved for anyone, and yet 40odd people had to die and several are now mutilated by the pointless actions of complete morons.
:(
donkeyhumper
08-07-2005, 01:09
It's such a stupid shame that the attacks today have made NO difference and had NO effect at all
welcome to the daily horror that is Iraq?
well I guess in Iraq, they just delay the withdrawal of US troops (ironically) and they kill people the extremists are more likely to hate directly - the occupying forces and their iraqi collaborators.
play_boy_2000
08-07-2005, 01:44
Playboy, I wouldn't be surprised if all the terrorists involved in today's attacks were born within 20 miles of the attacks.
that is bullshit and you know it. I don't recall anyone from amercia that was flying planes around or orginazining the sept 11 stuff.
generally, if your born in a (semi civilized) country and arn't a complete nutjob, you don't blow it up.
I'll comment more on other stuff later
donkeyhumper
08-07-2005, 02:00
that is bullshit and you know it. I don't recall anyone from amercia that was flying planes around or orginazining the sept 11 stuff.
One of them was German and there have been quite a few Britsh "Islamic terrorists": Richard Reid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid_%28terrorist%29) (the shoe bomber) and I'm sure many of the people in the Ricin Plot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricin#Ricin-related_arrests_in_Britain_in_2003) were also British. There are frequently loads of stories in the news about radicalised young british muslims.
generally, if your born in a (semi civilized) country and arn't a complete nutjob, you don't blow it up.I think your view of the Middle East is awesome. I've got a secret for you; generally, if you're born in the Middle East you aren't a complete nutjob either :eek:, wanting to blow shit up.
that is bullshit and you know it. I don't recall anyone from amercia that was flying planes around or orginazining the sept 11 stuff.
generally, if your born in a (semi civilized) country and arn't a complete nutjob, you don't blow it up.
Richard Reid? British born and bred. Tim McVey? American born and bred. Terrorism stems from ignorance, prejudice, and hate; qualities you're expressing in bucketloads right now. And given your genocidal ideas about the Middle East you're not a million miles away from their mindset either.
play_boy_2000
08-07-2005, 02:21
I'm talking about all the al-queda terrorists. They are mostly middle eastren , and either were born there or reside there. I remember looking at a list of the 9/11 bad guys and the country of origin was listed and they were almost exclusivly middle eastren.
That one amercain guy dash pointed out was a nutjob iirc.
I don't know anthing about british terrorists (presumibly, they are at least partially nutjobs)
I try not to generallize middle eastren people as terrorists (I even have a few friends that are middle eastren). My complaint is, why don't all the non-terrorists in the middle east try to stop the real terrorists? Ignorance is no excuse.
I'm sure all sorts of terrorists would crop up in canada if the police and other authorites took a month off. The thing is, we actully try to stop the terrorists, and if countries in the middle east could do that, i wouldn't be talking about cleaning house.
donkeyhumper
08-07-2005, 04:29
My complaint is, why don't all the non-terrorists in the middle east try to stop the real terrorists?They do but there's a hell of a lot more sympathisers in these countries.
Ignorance is no excuse.what?
I'm sure all sorts of terrorists would crop up in canada if the police and other authorites took a month off. The thing is, we actully try to stop the terrorists, and if countries in the middle east could do that, i wouldn't be talking about cleaning house.It's ironic that you should talk about ignorance. I'm pretty sure that the Saudi anti terrorism forces are trained by the SAS. You keep harking on about middle eastern countries not doing their bit. Could you please explain why you're so convinced of this. They know they have a problem. They need to solve it to save their own back but it's not simple! There's no way we would be in a better position if we "cleaned house" and took control of the country (see above). The best we can do is work closely to share intelligence and training to help each other stop the radicals.
play_boy_2000
08-07-2005, 05:14
the saudis seem to be doing a fair job, but most of the others don't seem to give a shit.
Athough, before Saddam got ousted, I'm sure he did a great job at shutting down the terrorist training camps, as did the taliban.
donkeyhumper
08-07-2005, 05:37
Athough, before Saddam got ousted, I'm sure he did a great job at shutting down the terrorist training camps, as did the taliban.
is that sarcasm?
there weren't terrorist training camps in Iraq - Saddam would never have allowed it.
there were terrorist training camps in Afghanistan - the Taliban supported them.
play_boy_2000
08-07-2005, 06:12
is that sarcasm?
there weren't terrorist training camps in Iraq - Saddam would never have allowed it.
there were terrorist training camps in Afghanistan - the Taliban supported them.
yes, sarcasim.
No training camps in iraq? They seem to be doing a proficent job at blowing up the americans... :frown:
I doubt there were state sponsored camps in Iraq, but I would amagine that there were still some camps and orginizations.
donkeyhumper
08-07-2005, 06:15
lol no
saddam would never have allowed that
he had an iron grip on the country!
donkeyhumper
08-07-2005, 06:33
i just remembered that the islamists responsible for the Bali bombing weren't from the middle east either
Idiophreak
08-07-2005, 09:00
I suspect what they fear most is our multiculturalism, the fact that we are a pluralistic society that is open to new ideas. Where we see free exchange of cultures as enriching, they see it as corruption, and they want to stem this influence of the West on Islamic culture.
Just as the KKK wished to preserve their culture. A whole bunch of people fear change and see multiculturalism as dilution of heritage.
In that point you're right - all they want to do is divide us.
The problem is, there must come a point when you have to sacrafice your ideals for the sake of the safety of your people.
You don't feel the human cost has been high enough yet, but then you wouldn't. Your parent, your child, your sibling, your spouce wasn't blown limb from limb on a bus on the way to work.
Maybe if (God forbid) something were to happen to OUR families, we'd see more clearly the price we're paying. How many people have to die before we start deciding that our dreams of a peaceful integrated nation should stay just as dreams?
Btw, was watching the news last night. Didn't realise that the Spanish actually withdrew troops following the Madrid bombing. Thanks for that. Lets let the terrorists get their way :mad:
Btw, was watching the news last night. Didn't realise that the Spanish actually withdrew troops following the Madrid bombing. Thanks for that. Lets let the terrorists get their way :mad:
Yeah :(
Luckily Tony Blair isn't a snivelling pussy and won't do that, hopefully the collected might of intelligence that is the rest of us won't try to oust him.
donkeyhumper
08-07-2005, 12:44
But the Spanish govt changed post-Madrid to a party that always said it would withdraw troops. You therefore can't complain about that and it's too hard to know whether the bombing really affected the outcome of the election. Anyway, it didn't directly change elected officials decissions.
Idiophreak
08-07-2005, 13:38
guarantee the terrorists took it as a pat on the back in any case.
donkeyhumper
08-07-2005, 13:44
ok but you're trying to criticise the spanish and it's difficult to do that when you actually consider what happened.
Idiophreak
08-07-2005, 13:57
OK, so WE'VE been bombed now. So we'll withdraw OUR troops, then when they bomb the US I'm sure we won't feel in the slightest responsible.
donkeyhumper
08-07-2005, 14:07
i don't agree that they should have removed troops but they never started the war (the only people who attacked Iraq were the US and UK) so they certainly don't have the same obligation to stay there and sort it out. All i'm saying is that the fact that it was a change in the party of government which was responsible for the reversal Spain's position on troops in Iraq means that it's not clear at all whether Spain bowed to terrorism.
Plus i'm not really sure why we would be more responsible for an attack in the US if we pulled out of Iraq. Because all efforts would be concentrated on hitting the US and not the US and UK?
play_boy_2000
08-07-2005, 14:12
Maybe if (God forbid) something were to happen to OUR families, we'd see more clearly the price we're paying. How many people have to die before we start deciding that our dreams of a peaceful integrated nation should stay just as dreams?
that is the dumbest thing i have ever heard. If terrorists even tried to hurt anyone in my family I'd march right down to the states, work out some sort of temporary citienship deal, join the army and asked to be sent to iraq (or the latest target at the time) and kill every gun toting terrorist i could.
I realize im close to the extreme of that spectrum, but some of you came relativly close to being blow to bits and for the most part, your just shrugging it off.
I realize im close to the extreme of that spectrum, but some of you came relativly close to being blow to bits and for the most part, your just shrugging it off.
Because it's a risk we've pretty much faced by just living in London for as long as I've been alive and longer. Islamists aren't the only terrorists out there you know.
We had 'the troubles' for a couple of decades where twisted Irishmen started blowing things up. North Americans seem to forget that we're used to organised terrorism on our own soil and we have never taken to invading Ireland despite that happening.
Idiophreak
08-07-2005, 18:43
Plus i'm not really sure why we would be more responsible for an attack in the US if we pulled out of Iraq. Because all efforts would be concentrated on hitting the US and not the US and UK?
No, because the terrorists would feel that bombing places got their way. So they'd do it more.
We had 'the troubles' for a couple of decades where twisted Irishmen started blowing things up. North Americans seem to forget that we're used to organised terrorism on our own soil and we have never taken to invading Ireland despite that happening.
American sponsored terrorism I might add.
[ First bit of background I found
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1563119.stm ]
Although regarding the "never invaded Ireland" part, we did "occupy" a lot of NI with troops.. that said, NI is part of our nation so really it's just defending our own.
Idiophreak
09-07-2005, 00:45
I was gonna say, I was fairly sure the whole point was that we'd invaded ireland and they want it back :)
Well yes and no. As far as i remember from my history the Irish asked for our help after the Dutch invaded, and then once we had defeated the pesky Dutch we kind of assumed control. Therfor, the Dutch are responsiable for the whole situation.
We were invited there. The nobles who were sent there to govern Ireland then married in and their descendants became more and more Irish. At times we had to go over and sort out those nobles.
Before we went there all they did was fight each other. Ireland was not a civilised country so they have a lot to thank us for.
donkeyhumper
11-07-2005, 01:04
Ireland was not a civilised country so they have a lot to thank us for.
:wtf:
If i remember correctly, Irish monks were the first to copy things down in books or something. They had a huge impact on civilsation across europe.
synaptyx
11-07-2005, 07:56
Before we went there all they did was fight each other. Ireland was not a civilised country so they have a lot to thank us for.:lol:
play_boy_2000
11-07-2005, 09:25
http://a73.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/terrortea.gif
:lol:
http://a73.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/terrortea.gif
I like that a lot :cool: but where's the milk... or is "a milky brew" the next terror stage?
When do we start using sugar? :eek:
It comes from the metaquotes community on LJ:
When the news reporter said "Shopkeepers are opening their doors bringing out blankets and cups of tea" I just smiled. It's like yes. That's Britain for you. Tea solves everything.
You're a bit cold?
Tea.
Your boyfriend has just left you?
Tea.
You've just been told you've got cancer?
Tea.
Coordinated terrorist attack on the transport network bringing the city to a grinding halt?
TEA DAMMIT!
And if it's really serious, they may bring out the coffee. The Americans have their alert raised to red, we break out the coffee. That's for situations more serious than this of course. Like another England penalty shoot-out.
Cue everyone on LJ having a tea usericon by Saturday...
Also:
Many years ago, an elderly Londoner was asked by a news crew to give his reaction to the latest bomb outrage committed by the IRA. What would he say to those who carried out this atrocity, they wanted to know. Being of the generation that had lived through the Blitz in WW2, his comment was
"**** you, we have been bombed by professionals!"</bg>
And many, many more besides. http://www.livejournal.com/community/metaquotes/
And while I'm at it, something for playboy maybe? (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/854807970?ltl=1120771001):
We. the undersigned, express our sympathies for the American victims of the London tube bombings. Many Americans fell victim to craniorectal inversion, such was the force of the blast. The bombings did not respect class, nationality, or geography, and missed more people than it hit, though a lot of these victims of craniorectal inversion were newly recovered from Acquired 9/11 Dislocated Victim Empathy Syndrome. It was also discovered that the severity of both conditions was directly proportional to the geographical and social distance to each event.
We, the undersigned, believe that therefore it is the responsibility of the Internet community to raise Internet dollars and present these unfortunate victims with money to buy a sense of humor. And also to bake a cake that looks like the British flag, because they like doing that sort of thing.
donkeyhumper
11-07-2005, 12:34
Playboy, I wouldn't be surprised if all the terrorists involved in today's attacks were born within 20 miles of the attacks.that is bullshit and you know it.
Sir John Stevens, the former head of Scotland Yard, wrote in a column in the News of the World tabloid, that "the terrorists at the centre of the London bombing this week will almost certainly be British-born and bred, brought up here and totally aware of British life and values".
Dismissing suggestions that the bombers were foreigners, he wrote: "There's a sufficientnumber of people in this country willing to be Islamic terrorists that they don't have to be drafted in from abroad," he said.
http://www.todayonline.com/articles/60791.asp
synaptyx
11-07-2005, 14:08
I like that a lot :cool: but where's the milk... or is "a milky brew" the next terror stage?
When do we start using sugar? :eek:Milk and two is extreme fear. We might even need a sit down to go with it. ;)
Milk and two is extreme fear. We might even need a sit down to go with it. ;)
Blimey. DFS has prepared extra stocks of armchairs on full alert.
donkeyhumper
21-07-2005, 13:05
:frown:
play_boy_2000
21-07-2005, 14:26
:frown:
.
From what I'm reading, detonations would be more accurate this time (there weren't any actual explosives in the "bombs", just detonators...). Probably some idiot(s) trying to make a scene...
Or too stupid to rig up a bomb properly.
Still, bit too close to home. The end of my road is blocked off. :frown:
donkeyhumper
21-07-2005, 19:34
the current information suggests that these are (or were supposed to be) proper bombs, probably made by the same terrorist group, but for some reason they didn't go off (screwed up making the explosives?).
Or too stupid to rig up a bomb properly.
Or, more worryingly, just trying to show "us" that they can still get bombs into all the "right" places...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41328000/jpg/_41328307_john_stevens_s_bush.jpg
That's just so near my house it's not even funny.
Idiophreak
21-07-2005, 22:42
:(
play_boy_2000
22-07-2005, 00:27
so are you going to add some suger to that nice hot cup of tea now?
donkeyhumper
22-07-2005, 01:08
time for the big guns! EARL GREY. HOT!
Would-be-terrorist slotted by police (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm)
Or, at least, I hope he was a terrorist. The article just says they shot an "asian guy" 5 times.. heh.. hmm..
Idiophreak
22-07-2005, 12:58
"I can't remember what he looked like, but i'm fairly sure he was....asian!"
donkeyhumper
22-07-2005, 13:18
if he's asian he's guilty!
:worried:
if he's asian he's guilty!
:worried:
... :wtf:
donkeyhumper
22-07-2005, 15:49
Terrorist!
donkeyhumper
24-07-2005, 02:42
Well the guy they shot dead wasn't a terrorist - or even asian, despite watching a clip about 10 times of a witness on tv claim it was an "asian guy" he saw get shot.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm
so do people just now just see what they want to see? That's kinda worrying tbh, that almost suggests that "asian guy" is now the default bad guy in our, or at least the witness', psyche.
"It was some Puerto Rican guy!"...
Yeah seems like this guy wasn't a terrorist. So why did he run away from 20 armed police, vault a barrier, and jump on to a train to try and escape. I suppose if they were all plain clothes it would be a bit scary, but surely they were all shouting "POLICE, GET DOWN" or somesuch.
He must have been a complete idiot. Perhaps that doesn't warrant being shot (5 times... from behind... on the floor), but still you just wouldn't run away would you. Unless of course he was into something else naughty *cough drugs perhaps maybe cough* but I wouldn't suggest anything possible cos you'll hear no racial stereotyping from me.
Or maybe the armed police, who so seldom get to use their toys, just had itchy fingers.
Idiophreak
24-07-2005, 08:19
I feel "he was innocent!" or whatever that headline reads today is a little misleading - innocent people don't try and flee from the fuzz.
And do we think the 5 times thing was so that nobody was specifically responsible for killing him? like a firing squad?
donkeyhumper
24-07-2005, 09:43
innocent people don't try and flee from the fuzz.I thought Harrison Ford taught us all a lesson about that.
http://movies.nnov.ru/Covers/Fugitive,%20The.jpg
but yeah, running from the police is pretty insane - maybe in his home country the police are slightly less friendly than here.
And do we think the 5 times thing was so that nobody was specifically responsible for killing him? like a firing squad?huh? are you suggesting they all took it in turns to fire 1 bullet into him? I heard it was just 1 guy shooting him 5 times and chances are this police officer is pretty destraught about it.
I think if you're going to shoot someone in the head you have to accept that you're gonna kill him - shooting him 5 times probably ensures a quicker death than a prolonged bleed to death through a hole where your eye used to be.
Yeah like I said to run away from armed police, especially in the current knife-edge climate, is totally stupid. The police were in plain clothes, but I don't believe that the guy could have been confused. Whilst his family and friends (and I am deeply sympathetic to them) insist he had nothing to hide or run from, he must have done something that made him think the police were actually after him.
I know for a fact that if any number of police, armed or not, shouted "YOU! STOP!" I'd freakin' stop. Not vault a barrier and leg it.
And just imagine if the police had decided they shouldn't shoot, and the guy had jumped on a train and blown up 400 people. How much shit would the officers be getting for that? (If they weren't killed!)
The hardest job in the world just got a helluva lot harder :frown:
donkeyhumper
24-07-2005, 14:58
i totally agree with that
postcount++ :cool:
play_boy_2000
11-09-2005, 06:18
I think its time to nuke the middle east
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050911/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/nuclear_doctrine
:eek:
(too lazy to make new thread)
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